There are several different specs for this taper out there, three of which I use. The part of the ferrule that fits over the bamboo on the tip section (male ferrule) had the same exact inside diameter of .221" INITIALLY! .212 is way too big for a 13/64, it's well into the 14/64 fit range. According to Hoagy Carmichael Jr. who filmed a documentary for Boston Public TV, the Payne Rod Co. made approximately 12,000 rods during it's existence. A Lyle Dickerson model 8014 bamboo fly rod, 8', 2-piece, 3-tip, and built for a #6 line. It does handle a 7 very well too. I've built this one which was posted to the rodmaker's listserv years ago. It could very well be that you could order just as fast a Payne. 70 0.271 Line Size Tip Size Consider one or the other of these two if your rod maker intends to fit the rod with step down ferrules, since there is a .010" step down across the ferrule stations. Let's be honest about this. 13/12. Don't you find short rods a problem on those splendid Yorkshire chalk streams? Determine the effect of adding or subtracting material as to what effect it will have on rod action, we can design rods for a specific purpose. (Henry Mitchell), Yes but those 2 particular tapers are what many Dickerson aficionados refer to as the 7613 Guide and are much more comfortable with a 6 wt line than a 5 wt. I'll give you a bit of background on the question. 55 0.217 145405 I hope this is for step down ferrule. Crisp, strong, smooth, versatile. You may, or may not, as a rod designer, wish to achieve either, but probably not both! 0.102 (Jerry Foster), For some applications, like fishing dries from a drifting boat, it could be even a bit short. 0.088 The 1970 Dickerson has the same type tip as the 1952 except it has a very shallow flex in the upper butt and a faster swell into the butt, a 4/5 wt, faster rod. (There is a table of blue numbers for each rod section). Using too small a ferrule may be a factor. Click here to directly compare the action of the 5 weight tapers marked with an asterisk ( * ) below. It looked fairly thin. Following tests I no longer cook UHU. Some rods might in fact be best with a line weight that falls between two designated ones eg. 0.102 0.256 Common sense tells me to leave the middle of the taper . I can add that there is not one single straight line taper for each line weight. In practice most people these days do not take well to these technically correct ideas, preferring a slope to the straight line, giving higher strain levels near the tip, i.e. (Peter Jones), If you "Put some cane back" in the bottom eighteen inches or so of the top joint you will have removed most of my objections. If you want the rod to have the same characteristics as before the change, the you must add some cane to the mid/butt of the rod to maintain the balance that was there before. I have always wondered why we don't just build linear tapers. This gives a quick, accurate impression as to what type of taper the rod is made from (straight, parabolic, compound, etc.) (Harry Boyd), In Dickerson-speak, does a 7613 have a 14 on the butt to 13 on the tip or a 13 on the butt to 12 on the tip stepdown? 5 0.088 112541 They are very nice 5 weights ( IMHO it is THE 8 5 wt). You can easily introduce straight line tapers as well. 0.189 Dickersons original taper was as Mark stated and a true 5 wt. Lyle Dickerson oft written about little powerhouse of a rod. (Robin Haywood). Even if you take off 0.006 for varnish, in case that wasnt done, its still a 7 1/2 wt. I haven't tried a WF6 but suspect it'd be about perfect. 0.120 Measure over original varnish. Made by Top Ten Tapers in Twinsburg, Ohio. If you were to design rods using a visual representation of it's deflection then deviation from a straight line doesn't matter. Contact us to learn more about how we can help! Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) The resulting rod won't know the difference and neither will you when you cast it. Perhaps it's a European thing to like fast action rods ? The varnish is in good condition. I measured the rod after seeing David Ray's posting of an 861711 in his taper library that is accessed from Hexrod. I'm probably going to have to find a use for one as it happens as a design for a 7'6'' #4 that is nearing ringing looks a bit beefy for a #4. I deducted .005 for the varnish. .350@40 The long column to the right of that is what we think the raw cane would have measured, subtracting for varnish, and interpolating between our measurements so as to put everything back on 5-inch stations. Jim Payne. 6-strip Tonkin bamboo Cross Rods. So now where do you add or subtract material and what effect will it have on the rod. The biggest discrepancies are around the ferrules, and you'll notice in many "classic tapers" flattening of the slope into and out of the ferrules - presumably to make fitting a tapered peg into a cylindrical hole easier. by mosquito 05/08/09 09:33, Post Is there anyone who could help us finding the right data conserning the taper. Pickard is the Dickerson rod maker these days. Still looking for a guide to hire for a striper trip to the Bay. For example, the 8013 taper I use is .202 at the ferrule end of the tip, and .212 at the ferrule end of the butt. 7613: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. Although it takes only 3 sizes to make a given size ferrule, he may have made a specialty set. I have a tough time roll casting over about 65' with any rod, no matter how long or limber. by cwood 05/08/09 02:51, Post They would be; The Straight line taper is the most basic and then the six major deviations of the SLT. Spurred into rodmakingby losing his job in the great depression, Lyle Dickerson would go on tobecome one of the masters of the craft. I just read this to myself and it's obviously as clear as mud! The American Museum of Fly Fishing Collection Gift of . 0.206 (Will McMurrey), Just very briefly, a Castle Connell taper is a good example, where you have a curious reverse taper in the upper part of the lower half of the rod. "Proper amounts" and "correct points" are hardly scientifically precise terms, so I regret that I don't know what you might mean. 0.153 (Mark Shamburg). 3 wt 0.0638 that'd be super! It made a fine rod, but you have to smooth out the taper leading into and out of the 45 and 50" stations as the rod was designed for a step down ferrule. Click Here for Rod Raffle About Bob New Rods Purchasing & Shipping Dickerson Garrison Gillum Glass & Graphite Hardy Heddon Leonard Miscellaneous Rods Orvis Books & Catalogs Other Items Payne Just basic principles that have been around for years. Help from forum members would be welcomed. The butts are just not stiff enough, although, in some, the tips are quite satisfactory. Rod makers history, value guide and general discussion, Link to Orvis Database by Greg Reynolds, Link to EC Powell's Mechanics of fly casting. Spotted lanternfly is an invasive plant hopper native to eastern Asia. (Jimmy Chang), I have made rods using both tapers. 0.248 A straight taper may always lead to a more or less straight stress curve but it will only be flat if a lot of stars are in alignment. I could probably improve just by buying a new cheap file.. by avyoung 06/12/16 21:15, Post In fact I've just made a new tip for it as the original developed a kink when being cooked to set off the UHU which no amount of ironing will remove. (Greg Reeves), This version appears to me to take a step into account. This is the equivalent of a Powell B-8.70, a bit slower than the Powell B-9. These are Bob's dimensions. Here's a classic Winston from the Hexrod taper archive. If you want to adjust for a different varnish assumption, or if you want to interpolate differently, then our actual measurements are there for you (or anyone, of course) to do so. Just have finish paying for the last kids college. Used but very good serviceable condition. Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. (Timothy Troester). Dickerson 7012 (1954) from "the Lovely Reed". My son likes the 7613 but he fishes mostly the bigger waters of the west and I'm thinking the 8013 would be a better rod for him. I'm just curious if you have a procedure to do this compensation on the taper itself or if you do this by stress calculation methods? Gillum Rods. Please allow up to 120 days for completion of your new rod. Pt 0 is the butt side of the strips. As Stephen points out if you can cast the rods then graph them out you really start to understand how it all comes together. And why not? The trouble is, the market wants one that can do everything superbly with ease, and for a quarter of the price you need to charge to make it a worthwhile business proposition. The Dickersons that I've seen were similar. Everything is subjective, but for me Morten, the 1949 version of the 8013 listed in the Lovely Reed is the best version of this taper. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. I do not rule out the possibility of owning a Lyle Dickerson rod one day but, may I ask, if you own or were having a rod made today with a Dickerson taper, If you want a Dickerson - John Pickard is your best choice. "And look at the difference in the prices they go for!" I'm not sure why you don't like Garrison, nor his tapers, but you can have your own opinions as can everyone else. The rod is currently 7'-2" after a test fit so I want to trim to the correct 7-0 length. Design notes: Dennis Higham's 861711 found in David Ray's taper archive is also designated a 'D' model. To my way of looking at this taper, its definitely an 8 wt. I will let Bob speak to the numbers and how they were derived. When things are stated incorrectly, many of the newer makers on the list can get very confused. (Gary Nicholson). (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive), I'm grateful to you for that point because a recent post referred to straight taper Garrisons and I wonder if he meant straight stress "curves". Only trouble with the rod is that there aren't many places in Md. 0.350 Of course a SLT is never a SLT unless it's a one piece no Varnish & Guides rod, once we add things we change the effective taper. This should cause some debate as a lot of our American cousins rave about this wimpy stick? . The 1st station on the butt section is NOT .214, it should be.208@0, then as follows: .214@5 Fly Fishing Supplies & Gear. (Weren't they made in a garage?) Mr. Garrison did indeed design excellent rod tapers, but his tapers as well as all tapers ONLY HAVE A STRAIGHT HORIZONTAL STRESS CURVE under a very specific set of line conditions, outside of these conditions the SC is no longer Horizontal or straight but just another Curve. The other issue is mandrels and they just don't come in 1/128 sizes. An 8014, would be an 8' two piece, with a size 14 ferrule amidships. That's so the swell is still in the action length. ever wonder why all those 10 1/2/64 Heddons broke at the female ferrule? .288@30 by dkrismer 06/12/16 20:36, Post An 861711 would be an 8 1/2' three piece, with the butt-to-mid ferrule being a size 17, and the mid-to-tip ferrule being a size 11. About a week ago I was fishing the hex hatch on a certain small Wisconsin stream for the first time in many years, with a 7.5 ft 5wt, and actually wished I had a much shorter rod, given the overhanging trees. if you don't have ~ 1/64 drop over the ferrule it isn't a true taper. Except that they are US rated and thus #5's! What species do fish for with your bamboo rods? $95.00 by Morten 05/26/17 03:35, Post (Gary Nicholson), I think most rodmakers wouldn't build a rod to sell that they didn't like, but would make one for a customer that they wouldn't use themselves, I know I have. One of my favorite rods is a linear taper with a "slope" of .290/100". I fail to see anything in the manor of specifications for your making a point that you feel there is a difference between the two, in fact I would like to show you that they are, under the right conditions, EXACTLY THE SAME. (John Silveira). However many people may like them, does this mean they cannot be improved on? (Steve Weiss), Good idea, Steven, but you would have get in line behind me and one of my Garrisons. 45 .212 under reel seat, The numbers listed below are from Banjos' rod, 0 .084 .238 If you know something different about Dickerson's typical varnsh coat, make the appropriate adjustment. (Robin Haywood). by canerodscom 05/09/09 02:32, Post I think the perfectionist is a fine taper and rod. My vote goes to L.C. Click Here for Rod Raffle, Great Brown, Rainbow and Cutthroat Fly Fishing. This will be three tips (light, heavy and SLT), three butts (light, heavy, SLT), a parabolic and a hinge. Lyle Dickerson (Michigan) 6-strip Tonkin bamboo Dickerson was a self-taught rodmaker who designed his own rod-milling and planing equipment. We are typically roll casting about five yards of line at very small fish, so all things can be subjugate to that. You are correct, this is just a way of evaluating the effects of adding or subtracting material from different areas along a rods length. They look very representative to what I have seen. (Gary Nicholson), So out of great curiosity then - how would you describe to me (someone who doesn't have a clue) how the action would feel or perform with regard to a "Straight Taper Rod" comparatively speaking. How would this feel? (Reed Guice), Dickerson used the ferrule sizes in the rod to denote both the ferrule and the number of pieces in the rod. Post CANE RODS Tips & Tapers by Ray Gould has another version that averages out the step down. 15 0.115 163502 Adding material to the butt section will stiffen and add power. You bring up a question I have been trying to work through for some time. 0.360 (Jay Hake). I just fished them both side by side on the Green River. (John Channer), I have never been able to describe to anyone else how a rod feels to them. There should be 20 measurements not 19. Tom Smithwick. The taper on David Ray's site is an 861711D. John P. has the Original Dickerson 7612 taper, a very rare rod but John understandably will not share the taper. They did not understand that a slow taper pole will bend near the point of grip under stress, whereas a fast taper will bend increasingly towards the tip as the rate of taper increases. 15 0.1115 First, no one casts the same. I Have commented additionally, if trivially in a private post on the other points. The slope of the taper of this rod is .014/5" or a B-8.4 (taking the average drop from 80" thru 0"). (Chris Obuchowski). Sorry! (Larry Swearingen), Sorry about the double question, original question appeared lost in cyberspace. Purchased item: Leonard 38 - Bamboo Vintage Fly Rod Reproduction Bob Thompson Jun 4, 2021 Helpful? 5 .096 .244 If you want a rod that feels like a SLT then you must compensate for the ferrules and varnish and guides by adding the proper amount of bamboo at the correct points on the taper. Orvis passed the 60,000 bamboo rods made number quite some time back and of course is still making them. DICKERSON 801610 - 8' 3/2 - 5wt- honey colored - medium powerful action trout fishing rod this rod is my favorite 8 foot Dickerson - originals are very rare - incredible power in a true 5w$ 2150us (all 3pc 2tip rods)DICKERSON 7613 - 7'6"- one of my all time favorite 5wts, copied in Dickerson's style can be custom made with tips of four different actions below: DICKERSON 7613 LS - the lightest of this series - for closer casting to 40 feetDICKERSON 7613 L - very nice all-round trout taper, full, medium fast actionDICKERSON 7613 M - quick, full dry fly rod - nice to have when the hatch startsDICKERSON 7613 H the 6wt, "big gun" of this series, good for big flies, streamers, $ 1750us w/one tip $ 1950us w/two tips $ 2150us w/three (or all 3pc 2tip rods) $ 2350us w/full set of four tips in all actions. The rod I measured generally has 3/3 node spacing with the exception of two nodes falling right next to each other. 0.292 There is a view that all the great tapers have already been invented. But nobody has a right to ask me to share it. (Chris Obuchowski). 0.174 Information About Makers and Manufacturers, Appraisals & Identification of Bamboo Fly Rods. If you would like to give Michigan a try, let me know. 40 0.180 146694 That said, even this quite powerful taper isn't sufficient to handle large deer hair bass bugs or heavily weighted 2/0 streamers. Right, I've printed that off and made a brief study. 70 0.261 133729 0.278 0.275 We're committed to providing a safe, comfortable environment for our travelers. Don't leave us hangin' here with a sniper shot and leave ;-) (Mark Wendt), Truth be known, I prefer Payne to Dickerson. All Dickerson copies include Dickerson aesthetics, blued ferrules & an agate stripping guide. From 80 to 85, there is an increase of ~.070. 0.288 I would specifically urge all to look at the graphs. 0.334 0.206 They tend to be slightly faster action than the classic designs on which they were based. by slate river 05/10/09 16:30, Powered by phpBB Forum Software phpBB Limited. Bamboo Tips - Tips Area (Ted Godfrey), I can say the one I don't like is the one in Ray Goulds fine book, 'Cane Rods, Tips and Tapers', page 85. Good luck. Winston Rods. (Bret Reiter), I call this one a seven too. BTW, Paul, different strokes for different folks. ), Then as it was, then again it will be. He was known for using only one or two strips from a culm, a time-consuming and expensive way to build rods. 765: 7'6" 2/2 5 wt. The fact that a rod has a straight taper does not tell us if the stress curve is flat or slopes up or down. It sounds very interesting. I brought my recently acquired 861711D to Luray, Virginia to show/share with Chris at his rod shop open house some years ago. Regardless of what any book says about what size ferrule belongs on this or that rod, i look at the flat to flat measurements at the ferrule ends and make my own decision about what ferrule to use. The butt dimension at the ferrule is too large to fit in a 13/64. the mid is 42' and the closest measurements are 40" and 45" SO 2/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 40 AND 42 AND 3/5THS THE DIFFERENCE WILL BE BETWEEN 42 AND 45th. On the other hand, Dickerson was designing rods (most likely) for Michigan waters. Over the time I have made rods. 1 wt 0.0540 (Jerry Foster), Where do you get that? 6 wt 0.0752 It is obviously also extremely useful to compare one rod with others at the same time. Whether you're picking out your very first fly-fishing rod or coming in for a new modern fly reel after years out on the water, Sportsman's Warehouse can supply you with the very best fly-fishing equipment. (Reed Guice). How would you characterize their casting characteristics? 2 piece. To the right of that you'll see there is a column allowing for varnish. I always use Super Z, but I am not really into creating exact reproductions. 0 .084 .238 (2 1/2" @ ferrule wrap) Since it was a know Dickerson Taper and not a myth I set out to recreate how I think Lyle would of done it and it came out sweet. In fact, I use the 7613 that I made a lot of the time, even while Hex fishing last week on the Manistee! Unless that is what you are trying to achieve. Its just simply to do with maximum stiffness (IE minimum deflection) for a given material weight. Some rods, I think, have a regional quality to them, too, and just holding them gives one a kind of flavor of a particular time and place. In reading my post the tone seems a little harsh. What physical characteristics make a taper roll cast well. 75 0.2855 To accomplish this I have added bamboo to compensate for the ferrule and the Varnish & Guides.. by Morten 06/12/16 08:37, Post I just put stepdown ferrules on my first rod, an 8014 Dickerson. You have a rod with a taper of approximately 0.0028 per inch. And this set of conditions is very narrow. 0 .326 .180 I like Dickerson's fast action, but I have not had a chance to try every rod Jim Payne made. 65 0.2565 I thought it was in there, but I didn't have the link, and the CD I got from Lowell is at home. So far all those posted were missing the 1st station on the butt section. Its the old problem, everyone wants to tell us what they think the answer is, but they never want to tell us why in terms unequivocal and universal! I would highly recommend the 8013 for your first Dickerson rod. (Dennis Higham). 40 0.184 0.220 (Gordon Koppin), If I might ask: Which Perfectionist taper do you favor? For those of you that have built this rod, does it flex into the beginning of the handle? Garrison's are straight except for the last 15 inches which he "fudged" to accommodate one of the standard tip top sizes. I will be bringing it to Korea next trip to go for trout here in the eastern mountains. (Will Price), You can adapt the taper that calls for a step down by putting a slight swell at the male ferrule end of the taper so that a super Z or super Swiss ferrule will work properly. Removing material in the center creates a hinge aiding in roll casting ability (thank you Harry for that bit of information). We will see how it turns out. I have a chart of the dimensions at home, if you need a copy email me off list. 0.248 Modified Lyle Dickerson 6611 Dry-Fly Action: 6' 6" 3 or 4: 11/64: 2/2: P702: Ponds, creeks . In the local streams we suffer the length to enable some sort of roll cast, but use #4 or #3 lines. I only use short rods on overgrown streams. Yes. double taper silk lines at short ranges. I love the 7612 Taper. This butt can be a foot shorter than the tip and of straight taper. Bogart Classic Wet Fly Rod 8.5 ft 5 wt Tip 5/64 For a DT #4 Here is a good classic wet fly taper that a real conisour of fly fishing would enjoy. Dickerson Rods. 25 0.142 158834 If so, which would work best as an all-around rod for lakes/ponds and steelhead/salmon? And, after you "get used to it" you will fall in love with this rod taper. 0.111 (Robin Haywood). 0.093 Sold Out $4,050.00 Description Particulars For your consideration is a Lyle Dickerson model 8013 bamboo fly rod made in 1948. 0.369 anyway that's how I do it. Reversed half wells cork grip. 85 0.3145 This first set was posted on The Classic Fly Rod Forum by Jeff Fultz. If I were to make it I would use .040 bring the 80" value to .328, this is enough to stop all the rod action. Good question and I will tell you as soon as I finish my 5wt SLT. An awful lot of fudging, especially as he could have made up tip rings quite easily. I am assuming this is an unvarnished rod. (Paul Blakley). Experience the difference of a Mystic Fly Rod on your next expedition. Over the last few days there has been a long thread about rods breaking at the female ferrule. No question my friend John Pickard is the way to go for a Dickerson reproduction. Another maker who knows Dickerson tapers very well is Rick Cunningham. His total production was fewer than 1,000 rods. A lot goes into crafting a bamboo fly rod and here you can learn more about our approach. Look at a graph of the rod dimensions. Actually, your second post said what I was going to say, look at the graphs. Acclaimed as one of the finest rod tapers ever conceived. The ID of the female ferrule where it accepts the male slide is .187", or 12/64. As to my question about the ferrules is, your rods say, e.g. (Chris Obuchowski). Just looking for a taper that accommodates the step down ferrule nicely. But if you decide to tell the world that this is therefore the right way to design a fishing rod then I'm going to disagree with you!" (Frank Stetzer, Hexrod, Taper Archive, Rodmakers Archive). My question is, as I plan for my next rod, are these the same rod or is there a difference? Perhaps you can see why I think that a 1500 cane rod may be a bargain! (Mark Dyba), Okay, to continue the discussion, what are they, and why? Here are the numbers someone else posted earlier this year for the Dickerson 8014 GS. Is that the 1949 or the 1951 version? Typically it is a heavy tip section combined with a light butt section. Chris' rod is also an 861711D. Now you have a rod in the length, line weight and number of section you want. Tell me about it please. Besides that, he's extremely knowledgeable about Dickerson, is the present owner of the Dickerson rod shop, and has an extreme reverence for Lyle's creations and tapers. faster tapers. Ralph Tuttle did the actual spreadsheet work. It's why I'm fussy about ring weight on the tips of rods below #6. The conversion file will convert tapers for Solid and Fluted rods for quad, penta, hepta, and oct construction. and .360@45. by cutthroattroutnm 05/09/09 16:50, Post The difference is for a step-down ferrule. The reason I also advise using stress curves is that when you make changes, add or remove bamboo, you also effect the rest of the rod. Jim P. you have some great choices there. I'm off to the antipodes next year, and I'm hoping that the 7'6'' #5 that should be a #4 will go with me. This is because the laws of physics don't tend to change much. It also is fine on smaller streams. a 3 1/2 wt - were that possible. Dickerson R.W. 5 wt 0.0720 that is less the difference of the step. . The ordeal with the broken rod changed my whole way of looking at ferrule sizes. 5 .092 .242 2023 American Museum Of Fly Fishing. Users can select the appropriate Morgan Handmill Cutter to match the geometry including both the 60.5 and 61.5 degree cutters for hex rods. I think I can reply for Dennis, as I was one of the guys who measured those rods. One of our longstanding rod models with classic cane color and a slightly more moderate action. Interests: Building bamboo fly rods (occasionally), fly fishing for trout. Measured over varnish. Consider this one if your maker plans on using Super Z ferrules. Different tools for doing different things. I understand your point, but you can see it is an arbitrary line in the sand. That's like saying that only the 49ers could find gold. CSE makes and sells this kind of "step-down" ferrule, from tubing, as Dickerson did. But all you have done is show the straight line taper for between two dimensions. (Matthew French), Different rods, the 8014 is a true 6wt, the 8014G (G stands for guide) is a heavier rod, a point and shoot, no false cast, lay out a ton of line type rod. The point here being, if we can define areas along the straight line or linier taper. 45 0.1985 I would be very interested in hearing what you have to say about the differences between the two tapers. (Will McMurrey), A picture says a thousand words. . by oldfishbrain 06/19/16 10:39, Post 761510: 7'6" 3/2 5 wt. Very Good condition. This is one of those bio-feedback things you must be self taught IMHO. 2 wt 0.0585 Know what to expect when you visit LAN, so you can feel prepared for your upcoming trip! (Tom Peters), 0.066 65 0.248 134403 Ten measurements on the butt and ten stations on the tip. I own a Thramer 6611 and 7012 HB tapers, both with Thramer cosmetics and they are both awesome rods. All rights reserved. I would go with Thramer. I sold one to a co-worker who is a streamer guy and he fishes it with a full sinking 5 wt line and is happy with it. He took the first step to improving them, inadvertently, you say, by fining down the tips. Reducing material in the butt section will make the butt more limber and allow flex deeper into the butt. I don't disagree with any one here in fact I think you are all correct. There are many ways to skin this cat. In fact, as the requirements of a stream rod are very simple, this is what we do. In case you didn't get the taper before, here it is: 0.066 Harry Boyd ----------- Harry Boyd http://www.canerods.com maker@canerods.com Aransas.clarks Guide Posts: 301 My first few 8013's have 13/64 ferrules and one of them broke off INSIDE of the ferrule. You could have chosen Tom Fulk's true arc taper as the norm and try to describe the deviations from that. "God made dogs to steal our hearts and they do.". 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