By signing up you agree to Guns.com's Buy GERMAN LUGER P08 POLICE MAGAZINE WITH DOVE MARKING EARLY POLICE VERY RARE: GunBroker is the largest seller of WW1 & WW2 Collectibles Collectibles & Militaria All: 961041063 . The production outlet was 100 pistols a day during that time. S.B.13.435 - Berlin unit 13 - Pistole s/n 9140e. police issue 7-inch regulations issued in 1932, and are shown in the following table. All of this is conjecture of course but it stands up to close inspection. by Poot 06 May 2016, 17:38, Post Normally, as stated above, these cut-back artillery holsters utilized a toe plug, in this case the subject holster is about of an inch longer, allowing the leather smith enough materiel to fold over the toe opening, mostly conforming to the 1929 and later police holsters. Description. Also, recently in Strafrecht (Criminal Law) z. L. significant upheavals took place. He should work on the internal corsage, promote public security, order and tranquility and, above all, give every citizen the opportunity to fulfill his moral duty to exercise his intellectual and physical strength to the full. ad[9]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/Cash3.jpg'; 2. There is no doubt as to what variation of Mndungsschoner or muzzle protector was used in conjunction with the new 1920s police cleaning rod with brass stopper with, at least, one Weimar era police station as evidenced in Weimar Lugers,1993 page 183, figure 47c by J. 12 - item 12 of the first centuria within command II in the with LANDESPOLIZEI [7] (State Police) FR WRTTEMBERG-HOHENZOLLERN[8] marked on the The press scolded for its frequent use of "Roman characters" under "Jewish influence" and German migrs urged to use only "German script". Nazi Lugers and their Accessories, by Jan C. Still, printed by 197 or Landjgerei Hannover with an Imperial crown/D and 197 stamped loading tool; view 1, view 2 and view 3. We know now that it was DWM who started the v block. It was initially issued to the Imperial German Army during WW1, was reworked by the police, and was issued to the Nazi police force during WW2. Sturgess additionally describes the police cleaning rod in the Fig. information presented here, but they indicate which unit(s) the materiel Pictured is an exceptional example of one such Police officer private purchase, unmarked and unmodified Weimar era Police clamshell dress bayonet. Pictured are multiple views of the four brass studs and their dimensions used with the subject holster. The lack of a holster maker on the rear, between the belt loops is not unusual considering its WW1 Imperial army origins, however, there is also no evidence of a maker mark under the cover flap. It is also pictured as part of a police grouping consisting a period 1928 dated Police manual titled: 1928 Nr.7,1 Vorschrift fr die Waffenausbildung der Shutzpolizei or 1928 Nr.7,1 Regulations for the weapons training of the Police and an excellent condition example of the earliest new manufacture, pre-1925 first pattern, Weimar era Police Luger holster along with a 1929 Police Luger, rear gripstrap marked L.W.58 (Landjgerei Wiesbaden, weapon number 58) with original, unmodified magazine . Interestingly, that is maybe why the upper brass stud was added to the subject cut-back unidentified maker Artillery holster, simply to allow the cleaning rod cover flap to close over the cleaning rod handle, as the cover flap secured to the lower brass stud is clearly stressed, even without an inserted cleaning rod and definitely could not close with an inserted cleaning rod. He should conscientiously fulfill his obligations, should be professional in his measures, be in touch with the public, but also act strictly against obvious violations, on the other hand avoid all incidents or even abuses by which the mood of a considerable part of the population is even more against those Police are involved when it is unfortunately already the case. view 2 and This Police holster definitely was used in two different locations or districts as indicated by the S. Hn. Polizei-Praesident Berlin=The Royal Police-President Berlin. the ministry's Official Directory provides clear, concise and easy-to-understand information to the police officers about their own rights and duties and how they are to deal with the daily demands of the service. Some of the Police guns are reported with DWM toggles; these do not appear in any recognizable pattern. From the Dr. Geoffrey Sturgess collection. Berlin police group. $175.00 Like New Condition. Yes it DWM marked but without a chamber date. it was made without a loading tool pouch under the cover flap and the cover flap lacks a keeper for the holster body attached closing strap. From the same time period is this beautiful DWM Swiss contract Model 1906 Luger sold on the commercial market in 1920s, and includes a vintage shooting medal from the Moudon, a historic town in the canton of Vaud in Switzerland. Pictured is a disassembled view of the subject aftermarket P08 marked and police stick wing acceptance stamped, variation 1 muzzle protector. Open Fullscreen Lot 3320: DWM Blank Chamber Police Luger Rig with Prussian Unit Markings Mauser Blank Chamber 1933 Police Sneak Luger Semi-Automatic Pistol Rig with Unit Markings, 1933 Dated Police Holster, and Extra Magazine Auction Date: December 11, 2022 Estimated Price: $ 2,000 - $ 3,000 Price Realized: Details Payment Terms Shipping Magistrat und Polizeiverwaltung Stadt Reichenbach=Municipality and police administration City Reichenbach, Knigl. 1920. Additionally, based on On the back, between the belt loops is a Nazi Eagle, short wingsAlmost Police looking but cannot be as it is a WaAThe # appears to be JL16. German: German Mfg. 19-130. The side cover and the left high edge has mild wear. No tool pouch. Police Luger ? Upcoming Auctions Auctions Near Me How Auctions Work | Help . ad[0]='http://www.germandaggers.com/banners/germanmilitaria.jpg'; Thanks. Pictured are two views of a 1933 dated A. FISCHER BERLIN C.2, sunburst (1929-36) stamped police holster, issue or pistol serial number 38. The purpose of the added entrance leather section with a second brass stud to the cleaning rod pouch is therefore unclear, and without removing the original brass stud creates a second barrier to inserting the cleaning rod, however, there is no issue with the insertion of a navy, six ring wooden barrel handle, 5.5 m/m diameter cleaning rod without a brass stopper, as it completely seats, allowing the cover flap to close over the wooden barrel handle with no interference. institute for technology and transport. The German state depended on the stabilizing Over all good condition. (non-P08) Pistols & Holsters. It should be noted that the World of Lugers Proof Marks 1977 by S. Constanzo, page 108 pictured E/Mg10 eagle is a different style from the subject E/Mg10 eagle. When the holster enters military service, it is inspected and proofed. Pistols and Holsters. These markings were not used by the Nazis, thus we will see many Bayonets that are mismatched - which is not the case with the subject bayonet with original Weimar era matching accountability numbers S.B. Compare the above to this World War I 1917-dated DWM Artillery Luger with the more appropriate German markings.. If the blank toggles are related to the Riff contract, they would have been manufactured in or before 1926. Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. Gr soll seine Umtspslichten gewissenhaft erfullen, foll fachlich in seinen Masnahmen, hslich im Bertehr mit dem Publitum sein, aber auch streng gegen offensichtliche Berstsse einschreiten, andererseits alle Unlasse oder gar Uebergriffe vermeiden, durch welche die Stimmung eines erheblichen Teiles der Bevlterung noch mehr gegen die Polizei beeinslusst wird, als es leider schon der Fall ift. Barrel proof, some 1920 Police and Double Dated Lugers. Signed & Numbered by both authors. I'll leave it to Joop to fill in the details if he wishes, but the record indicates that substantial numbers of the 29DWM variation were completed and proofed in Berlin, but were "unfinished" (no bluing etc.) All P-08 Military Lugers. Mike, i don't think Joop is doing that? 2 St 16 - item 16 of the 2nd patrol unit. Please help me with identifying those markings. The 1928 Instruction for the Police of the State of Prussia, (V.f.d.P.) For more detailed information on the 1946 Dresden Police manual. Pictured are multiple views of the above mentioned 1908/13 Commercial-Army-Police P.08 Luger, s/n 69859, one of approximately 450 M1908 commercial P.08 Lugers appropriated by the Imperial German army as indicated by the installed sear safety, later assigned to the German NAZI Police per Imperial Lugers by J. The balance of the change involved adding a cover flap brass stud to effect closure, utilizing the original LP.08 holster body up-strap and it is certain in this first conversion that the holster rear leather shoulder strap stock block was retained. We talked to a subject matter expert who repairs WW1 / WW2 h Pictured are two 1933 Robert Larsen Police holsters with and without the E/Mg10 eagle and multiple views of the subject Police holster, being view 1, view 2, view 3 and view 4. It is fortunate that both books stayed together since 1921 and were acquired as a set, both signed by the original owner. The only known publication that mentions the E/WaAJL16 stamping is found in World of Lugers, a.k.a. The first pictured example of a multiple conversion of an artillery to police holster conversion was done to a 1918 dated Dingeldey & Werres-Berlin artillery holster. 19-216). 355. WOL, 1977 by S. Costanzo on page 105, described as a 1933 Heers Waffen Amt proof. Opinion 2: I'm convinced that this is an Air Factory Werkschutz holster. stands for. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 4 ----------------------------------------------------------. Thanks for the help. Possibly post-WW2 East Germany DDR Police holster with an under-the-cover flap, ink stamped maker in three lines: Koffer- u. Lederwarghnfabrik ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz or Holster and Leather Goods Factory ZeitzS.L.V.SaaleZeitz. Zone vs. the WW2 Bahnschutz (Railway Protection). droop-wing eagle over WaA107 army inspection stamp located on the right side flat. Pictured for comparison are two different examples of Artillery holster cleaning rod pouch/sleeve brass studs with demonstrably different shapes and sizes or dimensions. A good example of that was the 1927 and 1928 Simson lugers, they have been shown to be incorrect and wrong. The above theory suggests holster cannibalism of German and non-German holsters in the reconfiguration of these Artillery holsters to Police holsters, while not offering an alternate explanation as to the intent or purpose of the current configuration of the subject cut-back, unidentified maker Artillery holster. ----------------------------------------------------------- page 11 ---------------------------------------------------------- Still. violations of the Treaty of Versailles by the German police. Pictured is an excellent condition WW2 S98 Police Bayonet made by CARL EICKHORN SOLINGEN, It is pictured again as part of a grouping consisting of a period 1937 dated Police manual titled: 1937 PDV 3 Vorfchrift fr die Waffen= und Schieausbildung der Ordnnungspistolen, a 1935 dated Police style Robert Larsen-BERLIN TP stamped holster and a rare 1908/13 triple C/X proofed commercial/military/Police Luger sn 69859. Additionally, hand written in pencil on the wooden cover is Fehrenbach, which is an area in Germany. Estimated price on these beauties run between $3,500-$25,000. That will teach me not to depend on my memory! 45aand feared that an expanded police force would become a ready reserve for the My thanks go to all those who took the time and thought to participate in the discussion, and provided pictures and information for the survey. 413 or Landjgerei Gumbinnen; view 1 and view 2. The metal finish is in very good condition. Poulin 2015 Auction, Bahnschutz holster, front view only, WaA107 Auwrter & Bubeck, Stuttgart 1934, no example noted. 3 days Left DWM MODEL 1914 ARTILLERY LUGER SEMI-AUTO PISTOL. A complete discussion of Other than the TBLAP published information that ----------------------------------------------------------- page 2 ----------------------------------------------------------. Opinion 1: I have come across a very nice WW1 style holster that has some unusual markings. There is a Luftwaffe Eagle 2. by Igorak89 07 May 2016, 13:07, Post that the Schutzpolizei had a military character. 1935 and 1936 are the only known manufacturing dates for the TP or Technische Polizeischule property marked holsters. regulations issued in 1922, and are shown in the following table. Bavarian Police Defense Force (Polizeiwehr Bayern), Pictured is a similar aftermarket P08 and police stick-wing acceptance stamped muzzle protector disassembled. The added belt loops are based on two other, more extensively converted artillery to police holsters discussed below. Lot 0478, Jan 14, 2023. Was it a difference in caliber or what is obvious that I am missing. Furthermore, all books required for the use of the police schools in all areas of knowledge on the most favorable conditions are to be obtained from the assortment of the next edition. By the 19th century, disputes over the use of Fraktur or Antigua typeface became more heated and lasted until the middle of the 20th century. or Landjgerei Schleswig; view 1, view 2 and view 3. regulations issued in 1920, and are shown in the following table. Pictured is an identical holster in the collection and additionally pictured with a 1908/13 commercial/military/police, no chamber date Luger, serial number 69859 and a separate view of 69859 serialized in the hidden commercial style. Box 7184, Pictured are view 1 and view 2 of this unusual marked police holster. This statement appears to be somewhat contradicted, where earlier on page 1262 Fig. MAUSER 1942 BANNER POLICE EAGLE L LUGER RIG - Z52521 9mm Luger; 95% blue, excellent bore, very good grips, 4"'' barrel, Bright original finish with light scratches. German manufactured commercial holster, original pistol model unknown, as identified by ink stampings located on the inside cover flap, WALTHER POLIZEI-PISTOLEN PP / PPK und ihre Handhabung, an equally rare 1936 Walther PP/PPK 50 year commemorative flyer. While lacking a rear horizontal stitch line, the holster body cavity rear panel is secured at the lower edge by the lower belt loop stitching. Erfurt Luger Unit Marking. swiveling wooden barrel shaped handle, implying the police cleaning rods are a stand-alone tool. What unit markings are on the pistol? 19-130 text caption picturing a cut-back LP.08 holster: that the converted LP.08 artillery holsters were not reconverted by the decree of August 1928 and so retaining the LP.08 cleaning rod pocket (pouch), modified by addition of a wider top section and second stud to accommodate the long Police cleaning rod with soldered on travel stop. This book contains English translations of the actual regulations issued by the German authorities from the Imperial and Weimar eras, and is an invaluable source of information about the often obscure markings found on German weapons and equipment until 1937 The S.E.I. Pictured is one such unique example. Schutzpolizei (municipal police), Police WaAJL16. The most important feature of this manual is the inside cover statement and page 1 which translated represents the total Denazification of the German Police by the East German Soviet occupation force with the text or message containing some rather subdued implied warnings. The leather, stitching and markings are complete. These cut-back LP.08 holsters were used or at least modified/converted until 1928 when a new style of police holster was introduced without a holster spine attached cleaning rod sleeve, replacing it with a spare magazine pouch. Interestingly, this pistol was part of an early period, fancy wooden case, which included provisions for two spare magazines, cleaning rod, box of period ammunition and a loading tool. Police arms had a Faded roman numeral ink stampings on the inside cover flap indicate Imperial army, possibly depot origins. Article created: Thursday, 25 January 2018 Regarding the completely intact magazine safety of 4559t, very few of these police Lugers survived as nearly all of these magazine safety assemblies were deactivated by cutting off the front end of the mechanism under a decree of May 1937. Feedback. Captain Ernst Roehm, future head of the SA [Sturmabteilung, a.k.a. var ad=new Array() Translated cover of The Police Pistols, Dresden manual. 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